Sure, I’m all for standards and what good accessibility can bring to the experience. And it’s all good there are evangelists who defend their standpoints. I haven’t work with development since 2004 but follow the scene quite close and am very picky when choosing subcontractors, looking at how they develop. But, if the reality had looked like the way Jacob Nielsen sees it, the web of today would have looked far different. And it doesn’t. Hence “not appliable in reality”.

Yes I had a great time, so thank you and Creuna for arranging and hosting the event.

I agree with both of you that we all need to ask every stupid question in the world and also pitch in and teach other people about these issues.

My first employer used to refer to me as “the pain in the ass guy” simply cos I asked way too many questions. Today I’m moving myself from pure design to a design/development combo … and I’m pretty sure that if Google was a person I would be slapped in the face for beeing a pain in the big Google ass.

What upset me was that the questions was asked at this kind of event after two hours of hands on illustrations and examples of what might go wrong and how to avoid it.

Yes people must be able to ask every question there is but we as creators and developers also have a responsibility to investigate and keep up with the changes and development in our own business.

It’s as Robert says, for the best of ourselves, our client and for the web.

Please, take a look at Tim Brays brilliant keynote from FOWA London 08. That’s the mentality I’m sometimes think is missing in our business, quriosity, flexibility of opinion and a lack of beeing responsible for my own development.

We are so focused on what we “know” is the best way of doing things that we become blind to everything else.

Thats why the questions upset me, the unability to reflect and rethink after two hours.

First, I’m glad to hear that you had a great time last night!

In regards to the questions: I do understand your sentiment, and in essence, naturally people need to respect and understand this issues both for their own sake as well as their customers’ – and, in a bigger picture, for the better of the web.

As I understood it, though, the first question wasn’t about designers’ feelings, but rather getting advice about how to sell the concept to designers that haven’t grasped/come to terms with the fact that things won’t look exactly the same across platforms, browsers and devices.

About forcing users to upgrade: you and I understand that this is not a realistic situation, but not all people do that. And that’s exactly why I think we need to respond to such questions with explaining why it is such an important thing, why we need to explain the reality of it.

My own personal humble take is that we have all once been there, not understanding, and then kind people calmly explained to us how it should be done, and we evolved from that. Therefore, we need to treat these questions the same way, and get them to join us in the struggle.